Production Tools: Sound Sources
Submitted By: Limaçon
So what do you use? I'm a synth junky but there are so many ways to produce these days, I always wonder what people turn to.
Yeah, I know: Peacocks on steroids and dripping hydrochloric acid on my anxiety. Seriously, what are your tools? Perhaps we should organize this as main & auxiliary tools.
Main:
Elektron Mono Machine- the shizzle but needs more efx versatility
Elektron Machine Drum- likewise
Novation SuperNova- software is starting to make this thing sound like crap.
NI Massive- replacing my SuperNova very quickly...
Aux:
Neumann TLM 107- Field recordings & my crappy voice
Shitty hardware that I should throw away.

my list is really short:
reason
i'm a computer. stop all the downloading.
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seriously... i'm all about the computer... abletron, reason, all that good shit, its all good...
but i just ordered this last week...
its a limited machine and my mixes have never been the same since!
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Right, so perhaps we should go back to my original post: SOUND SOURCES! You use Reason and Live, great, but what do you use to make your sounds? Synth based? Square waves? Double Sawtooth? Sample based? Where do you get your samples?
I suppose this is a futile thread seeing as sound can come from anywhere and imagination is really the key.
This all stemmed from my realization that, coupled with post production, your actually sound sources can really make or break a track. Quality is what I'm pushing towards and as in photography, if you have a great negative, you can make a great print. But start out with shit, work really hard, and it's still pretty shitty. Hence, even though I love their tactile nature, I've given up on a lot of my hardware and moved into digital synths.
So any recommendations on digital synths besides the NI library?
...any thoughts?
PS: Your Noiseatron there...couldn't find ANYTHING related to it except for your post on mnml.nl. Looks cool, but could also be mnml satire ;)
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Check out the Urs Heckmann (u-he) plug-ins. He makes a softsynth called Zebra that is REALLY cool, the interface is kind of weird and takes some getting used to, but you can get great sounds out of it. Its a combination of additive and subtractive synthesis and acts kind of modular in its design. I know these aren't sound SOURCES but he also makes FX plug-ins that are sonically amazing, I've personally used his filter plug-in called Filterscape and a monster of a delay plug-in called the MFM2 (more feedback machine). He might have some others, but those are the only ones that I've tried out and I can't speak highly enough of them. If you wanna make crazy sounds that make people go "wtf did you use to make THAT" then you should definitely check out his stuff. His plug-ins are still not all that well-known either, though they have won some awards in the audiophile magazines.
BTW, since you're a MD owner, if you have the sampling model, have you tried making it sample itself? That's when shit gets REALLY fun :D I forget what the exact names of the machines are since I am not sitting in front of mine at the moment, but throw an input/record machine on there--you can have up to 2 separate input machines--place some hits, make sure the right input level knob is turned up (there are knobs for the input jacks and also one for the MD's output as an input... that's the one you want), then add a playback machine (or 2) and place more hits... tweak the knobs on the playback machine=WHOA, especially if the retrig comes into play.
If none of this makes sense I will write a better description when I'm sitting in front of it, or maybe you've already gone there with yours.
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hehe... well.... i've been synthesizing all my sounds... i don't think it really matter what your sound sources are. Its the end results.
I honestly think that most audiophile shit is a joke.
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Maybe you should check out some of the Virus stuff. You still get the tactile experience of using hardware, but if its part of their TI line (TI=total integration), it comes with a plug-in that works like any softsynth in your DAW. Then you get all the benefits of softsynths like easy automation but you can still tweak hardware knobs in the process. :D
I've been eyeing the new Polar TI Snow. Super compact, nice design, would be great for bringing out to gigs, and it has some pretty cool features like wavetable and granular oscillators, which is sure to produce some pretty freaky sounds. They have one at Robotspeak, but it hasn't been powered/hooked up to headphones yet since I've been there. I might have to request that here soon.
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Yes, Virus is dope. I've heard the Nord G2 is also very flexible and customizable. Lots of cash for those two. Yes, heard Zebra is really cool. I'll be sure to check out his other plug-ins. I like the mind bending isht :o
Thanks Christina!!
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I have a friend who swears by the Nord G2. You know what's cool, is they have a pretty functional demo of the G2 software that is free on the Clavia website. The only differences between the demo and the real software are a few missing modules, the demo is monophonic, and you can't use audio in or MIDI out. But the meat & bones are still there, and you can still make plenty of great sounds with the demo--also get a taste for it and decide whether you like it or not before taking the plunge to buy the real thing.
You can get that demo here:
http://www.clavia.se/products/nordmodular/demo.htm
That kind of customization and flexibility is what I love about modular synths... but there is definitely a slight learning curve if you've never used something modular before. Its a bit of a different way of thinking about synthesis, signal flow, etc. but I believe they have some tutorials on the Clavia website, as well as example patches that you can explore. Its not the kind of thing where you will make something amazing immediately the first time you sit down with it (think, lots of boring sawtooth waves and "BZZZ" sounds). It just takes a little time and experimentation. I gotta hand it to Elektron, they certainly nailed the "ease of use" aspect with their hardware! But as you said, its limited...that's the trade-off I guess.
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NICE!!
My first synth was the Nord I in '97. Wow, the cherry red finish, the wooden pitch bender...(sigh). I wish it had more depth cause the sounds still rock. I break it out now and again but I've been sequencing with an MMT-8 which leaves a little to be desired. I think I'll give that demo a go round ;)
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but i just ordered this last week...
its a limited machine and my mixes have never been the same since!
that shit is funny.. "where's the breakdown!? i can't hear it cause theres a bunch of static!! wait.. that IS the breakdown!"
unless this isn't a joke and this becomes all to frighteningly scary :shock:
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yeah i make beats.. i mess around with fruity loops; i dabble. haha..
actually all my stuff is gear SH-101, 707, 626, MPC1k, Ensoniq ESQ 1, borrowed nord lead.
so far its just some techy electro styled acid. need to beef it up with a better hard drive or a 909 would make me very pleased. anybody giving one away?
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Reviving this thread... I'm pretty curious specifically about what drum synths people have had good experiences with.
It seems like there's a real lack of actual drum *synthesizers* in the market (i.e. products that are not just samplers plus filters and fx, which there are too many of) -- especially in the mid-price range.
The machinedrum looks really awesome on both features and UI -- but my main question is whether it is seriously worth the price? $1500+ is pretty steep, considering you can get an entire computer with way more DSP horsepower for half that price... but are there any good software equivalents?
What about other hardware? There are only about 4-5 other modern drum synthesizers I can find much info on that I'd be curious to hear if anyone has experience with:
Korg ER-1 - extremely limited but also super inexpensive, portable, intuitive UI
Novation D-Station - has anybody tried one of these?
Jomox M/XBase - seem cool, but also super pricey, and don't seem to generally be stocked in the US
Vermona DRM - looks pretty sweet, but not having *any* onboard memory or sequencer is a bit limiting and makes it pretty hard to take anywhere
What else is there? Where are all the world's original techno drum sounds coming from? Everything can't just be a 909 with post-fx, can it?
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combination of drum synths and samples... post effects too... i mean what else are you going to do to create drum sounds?
Also... you may consider live drums and some mics too... they are great in the studio for jamming out on top of your sound and then hooking those loops in.
other drum machines... there is the lindrum2 coming out later this year... http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/linndrum2/
in terms of drumsynth vsts to look at...
waldorf attack (very flexible lots of control and complex)
microtonic (simplified but can still do quite a bit + its got a sequencer)
drummatic (pc)
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