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Yeah the A&H mixwizard sounds dope and is great to use live.

Mackie.... the quality isn't really there imo. And read the fine print regarding the onyx. They make it sound like you can just slap a firewire add on and have a 16 channel soundcard also, but the signal is PRE mixer. No eq's, no fx, nothing other than each channel's gain goes through the firewire to the computer, not even the levels you set on the faders. What's the point to having the mixer there then? Might as well spend the money on a better quality analog summing mixer.

The zed might work better for you since it can pull the audio out of your computer. You're gonna pay for that feature though, but it looks like you need that capability. Or get an affordable soundcard that can pull 16 channels out of your computer and send them to the mixer. Don't know of any of those though... The MixWizard is good for us since we don't need to do this.

Our last gig in LA, we actually bypassed all soundcards for the audio signal of our gear (except for two sounds out of Reason which were sent to the mixer also), so we had a fully analog signal path from the gear, summed in the analog mixer, and sent right to the PA in the club. It made a huge difference on a big system.

MixWizard = no computer interface at all, just a nice mixer
Zed-24 = 24 channels, plus 2-in/2-out USB audio interface (i.e. just the master bus)
R16 = 16 channels, but **18-in/18-out** Firewire interface

With the R16, every single channel on the mixer shows up as both an input and an output to your software, plus the master bus. Pretty awesome for DAW integration. A lot of people feel that digital summing doesn't sound as good as analog (Ableton's summing algorithms in particular seem to catch a lot of criticism for one reason or another, I don't know if it's really fair or just a bandwagon thing). So basically with the R16 you can route your DAW channels straight out onto the board, and have the summing happen there, in analog, rather than going to the software's master bus. Or if your sound is coming from multiple hardware devices, you can record them all to independent channels simultaneously -- don't have to play the boring let's-record-these-parts-one-at-a-time game. It's also got a MIDI controller section with a decent set of assignable knobs/faders/switches, and sports an option to turn the each of the 16 channel faders into MIDI controllers as well.

Basically, the R16 is like two orders of magnitude more integrated with the computer than the mixwizard or the zed by being both a proper multichannel interface and a control surface... which makes for a hefty price tag (though they did recently drop from $3K to $2K).

Question is whether the cost is justifiable. I'd say yes only if (1) you plan on doing multitrack recording of many live/hardware channels at once, or (2) you're an analog die-hard and are happy paying extra to avoid having your channels summed by software (though 8 stereo channels isn't really very many if you're using software, so you'll probably still have to mix down some tracks in software).

In terms of the mixing board and components, I would guess they are probably very similar. I'd be surprised if the channel EQs/preamps/inserts/etc. weren't the exact same stuff. So yeah, it's basically the firewire interface and control surface possibilities.

If you're using mostly hardware and are fine with a stereo out from your computer, the ZED-24 is very likely the better option. If you're using software, keep in mind that even if you can get a deal on a Neve or similar you'll still need a pricey audio interface to get pristine enough sound out of your computer to be able to appreciate the clarity of a high-end console.

Ordered the zed14... should be all good for now! Waiting to purchase that Neve until next year.

you are right... the 16 is much different.

I'm enjoying the build quality of the zed14. Its better than my previous mixer and does its purposes. my RME is good, I got some TRS cables that seem to sound good. I was thinking about getting an extra ADAT box for the RME for extra channels... but thats another upgrade.

Was also considering some pre-amps... or something to heat up the signals outside of the box... I will have to get hands on on this stuff before i can make these kinds of purchases. They are expensive and I really don't know what i'm buying yet.

I think with the new studio upgrades I should be good to go for a while.

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