Visual recomendations
Submitted By: barclay
Anyone have a visual artist they can recommend for a local party this month. Nothing crazy, just someone reliable and affordable would be nice. The party is on the 19th. Thanks in advance folks.

We might be able to do it... more info would be nice though :-)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Heroic-Robot/9992278678?ref=nf
Hi, I have a good collection of visuals which might be what you're looking for... I have a couple samples here, I'll have more stuff up by the end of the week after a show I'm doing tomorrow night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQvZmZeloY
Send me a msg if you're interested...
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I put up a higher quality clip of some of my stuff: http://www.visualindex.net/
Heroic Robot will be at Anu tonight if you want to check out their stuff. Don't forget to provide some deets about your party if you want em though! :)
Send me a msg if you're interested...
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Heroic Robot were on fire at Faktion last night too!
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Heroic Robot were on fire at Faktion last night too!
:-) thanks! I dunno, I wasn't really feeling it. I did try out some new stuff though. It'd be really cool if I could get some feedback on what people liked!
Yeah I find that VJ feedback is really important to get (just like any other skill), but hard to find. It's easier for a DJ to get feedback - he can just tell how good his set was how much people are dancing or not leaving the floor.
But as a VJ, what do you do to judge how good your visuals are? Judge it by how many compliments people give you? Do you ask what others think? Since most of the time, VJing is just a complement to the music, you can't have the same expectations of audience focus....
I'd like to see visuals become as much of a focus as the music- it really turns a party from a bunch of people dancing in a darkened room into, well, a transcendent experience :)
So, let's discuss it here. Techno snobs, artists and consumers: what do you like in visuals? have you seen anything that made you go "wow"? What can we do that you think would be cool? What can we do to make you party harder? have more fun? What makes you smile, dance and enjoy more?
That's really what it's all about for me- I'll do anything that makes people happier. I guess it's the old raver in me, but I really miss the days when someone at any given party had some crazy raver toy to demonstrate. Let's do that stuff again, it was cool :)
I really like to do stuff that pushes the boundaries of what's even possible, the VJ scene is really stale. Let's shake things up a bit, something awesome might fall out.
Yeah, I have a similar attitude - the only thing is, I can't dance to visuals, but I can dance to music.
For me, I just got into VJing because when I would see DJ's, sometimes I'd be spending more mental energy grokking the visuals rather than the music. Just like electronic music became so much more accessible with softsynths and is seeing a new growth, I think we'll see similar growth and interest (although at a smaller scale) with VJing since hardware/software is become more accessible. I hope so, at least.
I was actually thinking of starting a meetup.com group for Bay Area VJs. We'd all just meet at someone's place (or some studio or warehouse or whatever), turn on a projector, showcase each other's work, techniques, and maybe use that as a starting point for collaborations and new ideas. I'm pretty new to the VJ community, so I don't know too many people, but if anyone thinks something like this is feasible, I'd be happy to get it started. I feel like VJing is an artform that still has a lot to be explored.
I guess really we only need 2 or 3 people to get it started. Anyone up for a meetup?
You should see my deaf friends going for it... it's AWESOME.
The really nice thing about VJing is that you can easily have two or more people going at the same time and they won't interfere with each other :-)
I'd love to do a thing where a whole bunch of VJs just get together, hang out and blast some visuals... I'm pretty sure Matt (the other half of Heroic Robot) would be up for it too.
And I think this is where so many parties go wrong. VJing isn't just a complement for the party, though so many parties treat it as such. Is mixing just a complement to the track? Throwing a party isn't simply having music going, it's about creating an engery, a FEELING in people, that makes them want to dance.
If a DJ trainwrecks, everyone winces and looks around. If they're standing there on an empty dance floor, the house lights are on and people are standing around talking, that one moment ends the magic. If the same thing happens and they look around, the laser's scanning, people are either on the dance floor or gawking at the lightplay, well, as long as the DJ recovers it's still a party.
And actually, I have an easier way of telling when the visuals are kicking. It comes when people hesitate at the door, or glance in from the street, and say "Oh, it's a CLUB/PARTY/RAVE" not just a bar, and head on in. Hell, I've had people walk up, listen for a couple seconds, and ask me what kind of music's on tonight. Uhh, the kind you can HEAR, dumbass. For visuals to actually get people to understand they're about to do more than drink and try to get laid, says so much about what they mean.
I think you're taking that to an extreme. I love great visuals too. When done right, they can totally elevate the mood and really make a party memorable -- agreed with you there. But at the end of the day the techno/electronic scene is fundamentally about the music. I've never been to a really memorable party with awesome visuals and mediocre music. But I've been to a lot of INCREDIBLE parties with killer music that had no visuals at all.
To put it in perspective, your arguments could be applied to free beer. If a DJ trainwrecks, but there's free beer, people will stick around. No free beer, people leave. People hesitating at the door, but you tell them there's free beer inside? In they come. Does free beer make a great party? Maybe, but not a great *techno* party. I know a lot of people who will always pick the party with better music over the one with better visuals (or free beer, literally).
Speaking of parties with trainwrecking DJs and crowds lost in the lasers -- anyone know when Paul Oakenfold's going to be in town?
http://www.house-heads.com
I'd also be interested in meeting up to see how others are using visuals. I'm pretty new to all of this and am using max/msp/jitter and ableton at this point, so I'm eager to see what others are doing.
Yeah, it's in the works. My goal is to create a forum for inexperienced and experienced VJ's/visual artists (or just people interested in the art) to come hang out, jam, share ideas and hopefully move forward with the genre. I'm hoping for a chill no-one-is-better-than-anyone collaborative vibe.
Details will follow in the coming weeks.
Hi, I'm not yet ready to create a meetup.com group yet (costs $), but let's start ehre: http://groups.google.com/group/sf-bay-area-vjs
Of course I'm taking it to an extreme. It's called hyperbole, and it's used in composition to make a point. Yes, it's about the music, as it's a techno party. but every DJ makes mistakes, that's part of actually doing it right there. My point is that great parties are an experience, and anything that elevates that experience is more than simple addition. Sure, I've been to killer parties without visuals. Alex Under, Agaric, Amber, Fumiya Tanaka, Drumcell, Nikola Batala, Alland Byallo, Craig Kuna, Forest Green, Fanon Flowers, Octave One, any number of DJs/Producers who can spin out hours of kickass music. At least half of whom have spun to nearly empty rooms in recent years because not enough people gave it a chance.
Sure they will, if you're happy with the same people coming to your party every time, until they move on in life and your party dies a slow death. If a party is going to survive, and more importantly, if new DJs and parties are ever going to make it, this scene needs to get new people, who may not know about the music yet. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing my friends, and people with a like interest in great music usually become my friends, but of the 20+ parties I hit every month, the overwhelming majority of them are 80% other DJs, promoters and their friends. If great music's all you want, plenty of us have apartments with good sound systems we can just have people over at.
And yeah, I think free beer is more than a complement, too. It's also more expensive than great VJs, on the order of $500 or more an hour depending on the size of the venue.
And there'd be great music if people didn't take drugs there, too. Want to suggest people actually give that up?
he's coming actually, just saw it on one of the flyers Hil's been delivering.
Anyway, yes, you're correct. visuals aren't essential to a great party. They're much more important than that.
Haha, alright well I guess at the end of it all we're mostly on the same page. Your arguments are just more hyperbolicious [sic] than mine.
You also make a good point about attracting new crowds -- it's much tougher to do that with the music alone. However, it is worth pointing out that some of the world's best and most high-profile DJs still play without modern visuals. Last time I saw Tenaglia there were no projections -- just standard club lighting and Danny rocking out in the booth with those crazy hand-held flood lights that he always brings.
http://www.house-heads.com
I sometimes like visuals with my music. yes its true.
I sometimes like complete darkness with my music. yes its true.
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Evidence that something is possible by some method does not imply that that method is the easiest or best of all possible methods.
The techno scene is about the music, sure; but if you're saying visuals are any less valid as a form of artistic expression that anything else, well, then you're hurting my feelings and I'm gonna go have a cry. If nothing else, it can make a pig-ugly club like Anu look less like a craphole surrounded by crackheads and more like a place you wanna go on a Friday night, and that's worth something.
Hugs all around
Hey, no fair taking potshots at Anu! The place is wonderful, inside and out.
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yeah, reciprocated hug, I still believe in the PLUR. :)
I think we're all looking to make things better, too. And yes, music is the heart of any EDM party. I just think a party is much more than the sum of its parts. Taking the art of the music and the art of the visuals, increases the potential way beyond what great music alone or great art alone can do.
Hey, no fair taking potshots at Anu! The place is wonderful, inside and out.
I like Anu but have you ever seen it in daylight? *shudder* Not good decor. Not good at all. (And yes, I was being somewhat hyperbolic.)
visuals are GRATE!
music is SOOPER GRATE!
darkness is GRATE!
hugs are really REALLY GRATE.
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cheese is grate.
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Enough fighting and argument.
Here's something I made. http://www.youtube.com/v/ef_NsTqk3S4&hl=en It may be relevant to your interests.
Cool. What software did you build that in? Processing? QC?