Nightclub anti-loitering law passes in SF
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/09/BAP817HBAI.DTL
S.F. is fed up, and loitering law passes easily
C.W. Nevius
Saturday, May 9, 2009
When the Board of Supervisors passed a strict anti-loitering ordinance Tuesday, some expected a firestorm of protest.
So far? Nothing but the sound of crickets.
Is this really liberal, laissez-faire, San Francisco? Loitering laws have always been a red flag for civil-rights groups. And this one, which would cite a person who "remains as a pedestrian for period of over three minutes within 10 feet from the entrance of a nightclub" between the hours of 9 p.m. and 3 a.m., sounds so restrictive that you'd think it would infuriate nightclub owners.
Nope. So far there's barely been a peep of complaint. It even passed the left-leaning Board of Supervisors on a lopsided 9-2 vote. What happened?
It's simple: The violence and crime at the city's nightclubs has finally reached the tipping point. Everyone, the club owners, the politicians, and the general public have gotten the message: The shootings, muggings, and street riots have to stop.
"The reason this ordinance got nine votes out of a pretty progressive Board of Supervisors is that people feel something has to be done," said Supervisor David Campos.
As for the club owners, who often face claims that they are too lenient with troublesome customers, consider the case of Terrance Alan, a founding member of the Entertainment Commission and a nightclub owner.
"Have you noticed," he asked as the ordinance was being debated, "that no one from the nightclubs is here complaining? I don't know of any business owner who wants to be the place where you are going to get beat up. It makes no sense."
Kevin Ryan, director of the Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice, thinks the law may be the first of its kind in the nation.
"We thought that was going to be the tough one, and it whizzed right through," Ryan said. "This could be one of those situations where we could be leading the nation."
Anti-loitering laws are often prime targets for lawsuits - and for good reason. They can easily be challenged on grounds of First Amendment rights to "peacefully assemble," especially when they are written too broadly. A Chicago anti-loitering law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1999.
But that law, which allowed police to arrest people who "remain in one place with no apparent purpose," was far too vague.
That's why those who wrote this ordinance made a point to frame it in the narrowest possible terms. It only applies in front of nightclubs, between the hours of 9 p.m. and 3 a.m. Police officers must issue a warning first, and standing in line, smoking in a designated area and waiting for a bus are all written into the ordinance as accepted activities.
However, Michael Risher of the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California has serious concerns about how this will be enforced.
"Whenever you are making it illegal to stand on the sidewalk for more than 181 seconds," Risher said, "you are raising the specter that the officers are only enforcing the ordinance the way they want to."
"It's great that it keeps people 10 feet away from the entrance," said Marvis Phillips, the public safety chairman of the Alliance for a Better District 6. "But what do you do after that?"
But Entertainment Commission Executive Director Bob Davis said it is an important change.
"These sidewalk Romeos come up and want to create a problem and you can't move them," he said. "The security guards in particular like this piece."
That's the theory. In practice, the success of this measure will depend on how it is enforced. But for now, we have a rare moment at City Hall - everyone is happy.
"In the battles that get waged," Alan said, "I think we need to remember that the most effective way to achieve change is through consensus."
What a concept.

time to move?
Alland Byallo
Nightlight Music | [KONTROL] | Forward SF
Yeah, guess it's all the latest reports of nightclub violence (mainly in North Beach, from my understanding) that made it pass so easily. That, and the fact that the only people who care about hanging out outside a club are us punters. The club owners don't want us there, the city doesn't care, cops would rather see everyone at home watching TV.... Mind you, it's only 10 feet from the door - not so hard to move slightly down the street to hang out, but I wonder if security will be obnoxious about that. I've met some great people hanging out outside clubs - sometimes you just can't talk inside.
what's with all of this "time to move" talk? what happens when the city that you move to starts to make changes that don't agree with your lifestyle... time to move again? that's loser speak, IMO. i remember just a few months ago everyone was raving about how much they loved SF and so on so forth. i'm no leader or anything... but it makes more sense for us to DO something about it than it does for us to just throw up our hands. write letters, attend council meetings, join the late night coalition, start our own commission.... ?
here's a link to get you started:
http://www.sflnc.com/
+100
Be ACTIVE or don't complain...
Sean Knight
www.blipswitch.net
sean@blipswitch.net
The sflnc has done great work over the last few years. Get involved.
Sean Knight
www.blipswitch.net
sean@blipswitch.net
Well can you look at this situation very pragmatically and just be honest about the mentality people have towards nightlife here? Speaking to people outside of the techno scene and to people who don't live in the mission, it's just very clear that nightlife=crime. I think if I were a musician I would have to find it in myself to be brutally honest about what i could and couldn't change.
It's just so much better in a lot of other places. But if you can hang with it, I salute you.
Really? Despite all of this "new ordinance" nonsense San Francisco has more nightlife than just about any other city in the USA.
I cant believe everyone is flipping out and threatening to move over a few people in local government causing a stir.
Its worse than swine flu people.
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I'm not happy with what I feel like is increased policing here in SF, either, but I'm also not going to move to Berlin. Mind you, the anti-loitering law only applies if you're within 10 feet of the entrance. 11 feet seems to be ok. (I know, but try telling that to security.)
http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-05-13/news/how-will-the-cops-enforce-sf-s-n...
How will the cops enforce S.F.'s new club loitering law?
By Chris Roberts
published: May 13, 2009
Much ballyhooing and nay-saying accompanied the Board of Supervisors' passage last week of a law designed to cut down on that bane of city existence: the dreaded loiterers, those hangers-out in front of clubs, bars, and other dens of iniquity.
Boosters of the law predictably declared it a victory for Western civilization; a mayoral press release heralded the oncoming glory days of "preventing confrontations and forestalling violence." Skeptics, meanwhile, predictably clucked that this was yet more evidence of the decline of Western civilization. The Guardian trilled about poor people and First Amendment rights, asserting that politickers toting campaign signs and homeless folk panhandling could both be whisked away to county lockup under the new law (never mind that "aggressive" panhandling is already prohibited in San Francisco, and that the loitering law is in effect only between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m., when even Frank Chu is generally off the streets).
Somehow lost in the hoopla was an important fact: The SFPD still isn't sure how it will enforce the law.
Although "loitering" is handily defined in the legislation as "remain[ing] as a pedestrian of over three minutes within 10 feet from the entrance to a nightclub," is someone talking on a cell phone outside a club "remaining as a pedestrian" and therefore punishable with a $500 fine? The cops don't know yet.
"People have the right to be where they choose to be," said police spokeswoman Sergeant Lyn Tomioka, who stressed that the department's Field Operations Bureau will need to look at the law and issue a directive before police can comment on exactly how they intend to start busting people. Then, as with most laws, enforcement will ultimately lie with the discretion of the officers on the scene, she said: "But I don't think that zero tolerance [of people standing around] is the intention of the law."
And if it is, never fear: There's a whole wide world out there, starting at 10 feet, one inch and beyond.
regarding the SFLNC: It seems like the nightclub owners were in support of the bill. See: http://sfist.com/2009/03/23/anti-loitering_law_goes_before_boar.php .
Interesting! It could come down to becoming an enforcement issue that wouldn't touch things like warehouse parties or techno nights... it could be a class issue, right, the way that the police wouldn't crack down on burlesque shows but they would crack down on a vegas style joint.
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